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Spiritual Weapon allows you to focus solely on wisdom. Unless the polearm you want is a quarterstaff and you go Nature Cleric, then you will need strength as a primary stat.Noxid86 the problem with replacing spiritual weapon with polearm master is twofold. But if I have access to both, I can't think of a situation where I would prefer the Shroud except if it's strictly for flavor.ĭefinitely agree SeanJP. It's actually a good option for a Paladin who doesn't have access to SG.

To be frank, I see Spirit Shroud the "poor man's" Spirit Guardians. I find spiritual weapon and spirit guardians in particular to be excellent blank canvases with which to create the visual effects you're imagining. I agree 1000% with the sentiment that you should be looking for ways to flavor the spells. A variant human Arcana Cleric could have all of this online by level 5. If you do decide to go for polearm master and warcaster then I think you should look for a way to pick up booming blade. You can drop spiritual weapon for polearm master and still use Spirit Guardians. And frankly, I think Spirit Guardians would be the stronger concentration spell even when put on a character with extra attack. I think Spirit Shroud is balanced around using it on a character with extra attack. I'm not saying you should care that that's the case, just that it IS the case. But a Cleric with Spirit Guardians + Spiritual Weapon + main action of choice each turn will be kicking your a** in terms of effectiveness. Your build would still be okay and reasonably effective as a character. If you want to go for flavor and concept, you do you. Also, if you pick up Polearm Master you have to wait 4 more levels before you can pick up Warcaster. Spirit Guardians IS better, because you're talking about 3d8 AOE damage (half if they save) vs 1d8 per single target you hit with an attack. Since they are both level 3 cleric spells, is there ever a situation in which spirit shroud is optimal?Ģ - Does anyone have any build tips for making a melee cleric who fights with a polearm? Should I dip fighter? Spirit guardians does 3d8 damage to anyone within 15 feet that fails a save.īoth require concentration but spirit guardians takes the cake in duration as well.ġ - It seems like Spirit Guardians is just plain "better" from a numbers persective. But I also dont want to be at a massive disadvantage for it. Unfortunately, it seems the two god-tier spells for clerics are spirit guardians and spiritual weapon. I think the spiritual weapon spell is silly and want to avoid using it so I thought it would be fun to build a cleric with polearm mastery, take warcaster at 4 and be able to double attack with spirit shroud up and opportunity attack hold person when they enter my reach. While I know that clerics arent optimal for melee DPS, I thought it would be a cool esthetic.

I really wanted a heavy armor melee fighting cleric. Monstrous Compendium Vol 3: Minecraft Creatures